Friday, June 19, 2009

Are we a "Christian nation"?

I got a link to the video Our Judeo-Christian Nation which is Congressman Randy Forbes' response to Not-the-President Obama's recent comment that we are not a Christian nation.

Here's my response after viewing the videos:

Obama did not deny our Christian heritage, so Forbes is answering a point that was never raised.

Would a "Christian nation" really "legally" murder over 50 million children? Would a "Christian nation" really legalize homosexuality? I don't know what point Obama was trying to make, but like Caiaphas (see John 11:49-52) he may have been speaking a prophetic word. We — the nominal "Christians" in this country — have in fact repudiated our Christian heritage. David Barton has done landmark work in this area, and I would guess that most church-going Christians know more about the work of Simon Cowell than they do about Barton's achievements.

John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

James Madison: "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

Are we a "moral and religious people" as contemplated by Adams, or Washington, or Witherspoon? Does the average American Christian even know the Ten Commandments?

As Walt Kelly said many years ago through his "Pogo" comic strip: "We have met the enemy, and they is us."

2 Chron. 7:14 predicates national healing on the repentance of "My people who are called by My name." When we, as Christians, repent before the throne of God .... then Mr. Obama can eat those words. Until then, the Muslims actually have some of the moral high ground, because they don't murder their inconvenient children and they don't tolerate sodomy.

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I'm not defending Obama, not by a long shot. He is the most rabidly pro-abortion "President" in our history, not because he favors abortion (as a Muslim, he opposes it) but because he favors dead Americans.

But we — the Christians — have brought this on ourselves. Check out Ezekiel 16:49-50. Sounds like us to me.

We in Laodicean America are in deep, deep doo. And the problem is not Obama ... it's us. He did not repudiate our Christian heritage; we did.

Will we repent? Will we rebuild our family altars? Will we turn off the streams of video immorality that flow into our homes and fall before our Savior in tears? Will we make restitution? Or will we continue to comfort ourselves that "we're Christians; the problem is with the Democrats/Socialists/homosexuals/Muslims" and that God is somehow indifferent to our sins because, after all, we "invited Jesus into our hearts"?

I posted these thoughts on an online forum, and one reader took exception to my statement that "the Muslims actually have some of the moral high ground, because they don't murder their inconvenient children."  He pointed out what is fairly common knowledge by asking, "What would you call sending young children out as suicide bombers?  What would you call it when Iran sent their little kids to the front lines to be the triggers/sensors for booby traps?"

It's a point worth considering.  I don't believe for a second that Islam is more moral in the Biblical sense than Christianity.  My point is that American "Christianity" is on the same level.  They kill kids; we kill kids.  They "justify" it because it's their war against the infidels.  We "justify" it because "we can't afford another child right now" or "I won't be able to fit into my prom dress" or "what will the neighbors say?  I'm a deacon!"  Have they killed fifty million yet?

We in America are "horrified" that those "evil Muslims" would send their kids out onto the battlefield to trigger booby traps, but how much noise do we make about guys like Tiller and Haskell ... or the abortionist who has an office right down the street?  What do American "Christians" have to say about that?  A lot apparently said, "We want Obama."  The one sin that Jesus rebuked more severely than any other was that of hypocrisy.

Matthew 12:41 comes to mind, as does Ezekiel 23:11.  The Ninevites were no paragons, but they had the sense to repent in the face of imminent judgment.  "Oholibah" had more spiritual light, and yet one-upped the wickedness of her sister.

They have the Koran; we have the Word of God.

And I stand by my statement.  We had a Christian heritage, and we have squandered it.  God will hold us accountable, and having "Proclaim Liberty" engraved on the Liberty Bell won't blunt His judgment.  It's not Obama's fault and it's not Islam's fault; it is OUR fault.

We are in trouble.  Will we repent?

Time will tell. But there isn't much of that left, either.


Unknown said...

For sure we have taken grace for granted. With freedom also comes responsibility. Freedom without responsibility leads to anarchy, and inevitably gross sin.

I once got to know a Muslim man fairly well. We got along pretty good, probably better than other "christians". I did admire his devotion to prayers each morning, noon, and night (or is it 4x daily?). He appeared to me as one with good convictions, good morality, and a sense of public responsibility. For understanding all of this I am eternally grateful.

This in no way contrasts to those who call themselves Muslim and believe in Jihad against all those outside the faith, or even of a different belief.

I am reminded these days that we are in a battle, a spiritual battle. Either Jesus was correct or Mohammad. While religions share many good things ultimately it is to whom you have allegiance which determines your fate. Let us all pray that we may live at peace with all men, in particular those of the Muslim community.

Brother Dave

thefisherlady said...

I am praying repentance will be the choice of the nation